I didn't shoot any competitions last year, how are you handling the shortages?

TomD

TomD

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How are you handling the shortages at the competitions? I know a lot, probably most of you, keep enough in stock to float over a little multi-year extreme shortage without noticing it. Even me for the rounds I've been shooting for years but I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmore barrel for one of my bolt guns until I figured out that I better have every part of the loads in present stock because I dam* sure couldn't buy any.

I looked at Powder Valley and they had no brass at all for any caliber, no bullets at all for any caliber, no powder at all of any type, no primers at all of any type. Can't say I've ever see it like this.

So what's going on at the competitions? Is there any lending or private selling going for the people running short?

Remember the days that someone was selling primers for $125/case at almost every match? That would create a riot now.
 
They are selling primers for $125 now, just a lot smaller box of them.
Probably gonna be some guys hurting before the end of this coming season.

Joe
 
TomD said:
...but I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmore barrel for one of my bolt guns until I figured out that I better have every part of the loads in present stock because I dam* sure couldn't buy any.

I looked at Powder Valley and they had no brass at all for any caliber, no bullets at all for any caliber, no powder at all of any type, no primers at all of any type.
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Midway USA has Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass in stock, a decent stock of 6.5 mm bullets, no powder and no primers. Brownells has Lapua brass, some bullets, no powder, and no primers. So how do I get around the component shortage? Simple - I have a stockpile of reloading supplies. Between the reduced number of matches and a small supply of powder and primers (enough to burn out a 6.5 mm barrel), am set for about 2 years of Long Range highpower shooting.
 
i have no shortages of competition parts...
the closest to a shortage is no top quality 300 wsm brass.
all else i am good......plan ahead
 
TomD said:
How are you handling the shortages at the competitions? I know a lot, probably most of you, keep enough in stock to float over a little multi-year extreme shortage without noticing it. Even me for the rounds I've been shooting for years but I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmore barrel for one of my bolt guns until I figured out that I better have every part of the loads in present stock because I dam* sure couldn't buy any.

I looked at Powder Valley and they had no brass at all for any caliber, no bullets at all for any caliber, no powder at all of any type, no primers at all of any type. Can't say I've ever see it like this.

So what's going on at the competitions? Is there any lending or private selling going for the people running short?

Remember the days that someone was selling primers for $125/case at almost every match? That would create a riot now.
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Tom, the stuff is out there. It's just sporadic as to when it appears. And it's gone quick. Trying to buy consumables (powder, primers) online is a nightmare as the dynamics of inventory are in constant upheaval. What I call 'hard parts'....cases, dies, barrels....are more available but just take a bit more digging.

Post what you need here and let's see if we can round up what you need.

Good shootin'. -Al
 
Sharing some of one's stash

says a lot about the person willing to do so and the shooter community in general. I sold some powder recently to a fellow in Tn and he stated he had no primers to speak of. I sold him 1K from my supply. I posted a WTB ad recently for some .30 cal RN or FN bullets for loading a 30-30 lever rifle. I got 3 replys and was able to acquire what I needed at very reasonable prices. Not one of the three tried to gouge me price wise.

When you have a reasonable excess, consider sharing it with someone in need and don't make them pay a kings ransom for it. The shoe may be on the other foot down the road!
 
glp said:
says a lot about the person willing to do so and the shooter community in general. I sold some powder recently to a fellow in Tn and he stated he had no primers to speak of. I sold him 1K from my supply. I posted a WTB ad recently for some .30 cal RN or FN bullets for loading a 30-30 lever rifle. I got 3 replys and was able to acquire what I needed at very reasonable prices. Not one of the three tried to gouge me price wise.

When you have a reasonable excess, consider sharing it with someone in need and don't make them pay a kings ransom for it. The shoe may be on the other foot down the road!
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Absolutely, Greg! :cool: -Al

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Thia is a good lesson

for those depending on component for competition. I've been at this over 20 years and have seen shortages on everything we use over that amount of time. The last time primers were in short supply, I realized I needed to stay at least one full season ahead on everything. I have currently enough of everything for two full seasons of matches and it sure is nice to be in this position. It's simply a Learning Experience. Nice not having to call the King your uncle. At my age, I may not live to see two full seasons!! Brings to mind the story of the Ant and the Cricket :)

Pete
 
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TomD said:
How are you handling the shortages at the competitions? I know a lot, probably most of you, keep enough in stock to float over a little multi-year extreme shortage without noticing it. Even me for the rounds I've been shooting for years but I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmore barrel for one of my bolt guns until I figured out that I better have every part of the loads in present stock because I dam* sure couldn't buy any.

I looked at Powder Valley and they had no brass at all for any caliber, no bullets at all for any caliber, no powder at all of any type, no primers at all of any type. Can't say I've ever see it like this.

So what's going on at the competitions? Is there any lending or private selling going for the people running short?

Remember the days that someone was selling primers for $125/case at almost every match? That would create a riot now.
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Go on Gunbroker. They have everything.
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=small rifle primers
 
glp said:
says a lot about the person willing to do so and the shooter community in general. I sold some powder recently to a fellow in Tn and he stated he had no primers to speak of. I sold him 1K from my supply. I posted a WTB ad recently for some .30 cal RN or FN bullets for loading a 30-30 lever rifle. I got 3 replys and was able to acquire what I needed at very reasonable prices. Not one of the three tried to gouge me price wise.

When you have a reasonable excess, consider sharing it with someone in need and don't make them pay a kings ransom for it. The shoe may be on the other foot down the road!
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We did that for a guy(for his Dad and Uncle also). Someone had a old Dillion. I contributed a pound of Bullseye and 1K Lg pistol primers.....He got some dies....They had been collecting their brass. All just before everything disappeared....
We shoot plates at a few clubs.
 
We have a local/regional television station with a nice Classifieds section on their homepage that has always featured a Hunting section for handguns, rifles, ammo, etc. I used it a lot as did quite a few others. Long story short...the administration of the Classifieds was outsourced to a company that is anti-gun and right before Christmas...you guessed it...they discontinued the Hunting section! :mad: I've had quite a few conversations with a local manager and he assures me they will get it reinstated.

Good shootin'. -Al
 
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I'm thinking the people of South Dakota will be with you on that AL. That guy is in the wrong State.
 
This isn't a popular viewpoint but I believe in greatly increased prices in the face of extreme shortages. Here's a quick personal story to explain why.

Sometime in the middle of the last primer shortage, somewhere around 2009-2010 I think. I was visiting someone (a br shooter) in the Mobile, AL area who had a private range. There were about 4-5 of us at his place that day and we decided to go out for lunch and someone mentioned a local store that had primers selling for pre-shortage prices. We descended on the store and though I doubt any of us had fewer than 10 thousand primers at home, we bought every flipping primer in the store, cleaned them out, even if we didn't need them. Even I bought a case to add to the couple of cases that I already had, and I probably still have most of them.

If the store had marked them up heavily, I wouldn't have bought them and some other guys could have come in a bought a couple of hundred to get them through and everyone would have been much happier.

I think now retired talk radio host Neil Bortz came up with a hypothetical of shortage pricing that really got the concept through to me. Say you're in Florida and a hurricane is coming in. You are one of the first to figure it out gather up the kids and grandma who lives close and hit the interstate to get out of the predicted hit range. You get up a couple of hundred miles and find a motel. Anti-gouging laws are in effect and the motel must not raise prices. So you pull in, get a room for yourself and the wife, another for grandma and a third for the kids. A day and some later and the roads are crushed with people fleeing the storm and there are zero rooms available anywhere. Maybe, if the motel operator had been able to raise prices, you would have thought that you might be able to live for a couple of days with the whole crew in a room and two other families found haven.
 
TomD said:
This isn't a popular viewpoint but I believe in greatly increased prices in the face of extreme shortages. Here's a quick personal story to explain why.

Sometime in the middle of the last primer shortage, somewhere around 2009-2010 I think. I was visiting someone (a br shooter) in the Mobile, AL area who had a private range. There were about 4-5 of us at his place that day and we decided to go out for lunch and someone mentioned a local store that had primers selling for pre-shortage prices. We descended on the store and though I doubt any of us had fewer than 10 thousand primers at home, we bought every flipping primer in the store, cleaned them out, even if we didn't need them. Even I bought a case to add to the couple of cases that I already had, and I probably still have most of them.

If the store had marked them up heavily, I wouldn't have bought them and some other guys could have come in a bought a couple of hundred to get them through and everyone would have been much happier. I miss

I think now retired talk radio host Neil Bortz came up with a hypothetical of shortage pricing that really got the concept through to me. Say you're in Florida and a hurricane is coming in. You are one of the first to figure it out gather up the kids and grandma who lives close and hit the interstate to get out of the predicted hit range. You get up a couple of hundred miles and find a motel. Anti-gouging laws are in effect and the motel must not raise prices. So you pull in, get a room for yourself and the wife, another for grandma and a third for the kids. A day and some later and the roads are crushed with people fleeing the storm and there are zero rooms available anywhere. Maybe, if the motel operator had been able to raise prices, you would have thought that you might be able to live for a couple of days with the whole crew in a room and two other families found haven.
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I miss Neil !!!!!!!!
 
TomD said:
This isn't a popular viewpoint but I believe in greatly increased prices in the face of extreme shortages. Here's a quick personal story to explain why.

Sometime in the middle of the last primer shortage, somewhere around 2009-2010 I think. I was visiting someone (a br shooter) in the Mobile, AL area who had a private range. There were about 4-5 of us at his place that day and we decided to go out for lunch and someone mentioned a local store that had primers selling for pre-shortage prices. We descended on the store and though I doubt any of us had fewer than 10 thousand primers at home, we bought every flipping primer in the store, cleaned them out, even if we didn't need them. Even I bought a case to add to the couple of cases that I already had, and I probably still have most of them.

If the store had marked them up heavily, I wouldn't have bought them and some other guys could have come in a bought a couple of hundred to get them through and everyone would have been much happier.

I think now retired talk radio host Neil Bortz came up with a hypothetical of shortage pricing that really got the concept through to me. Say you're in Florida and a hurricane is coming in. You are one of the first to figure it out gather up the kids and grandma who lives close and hit the interstate to get out of the predicted hit range. You get up a couple of hundred miles and find a motel. Anti-gouging laws are in effect and the motel must not raise prices. So you pull in, get a room for yourself and the wife, another for grandma and a third for the kids. A day and some later and the roads are crushed with people fleeing the storm and there are zero rooms available anywhere. Maybe, if the motel operator had been able to raise prices, you would have thought that you might be able to live for a couple of days with the whole crew in a room and two other families found haven.
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Like most folks, I'd like to have my cake and eat it too, but that's a fair point. I used to keep about two years worth of shooting supplies, but I've let my stock dwindle in the last several banics hoping that prices would moderate again. I know we're never going to see primers at $16/1000 again, but I had hoped they'd drop below the $34ish / 1000 that I last paid. Last ones I saw were $80 which I just wasn't desperate enough to bite on, so I suppose you're right.

GsT
 
well i had hoped it was not so bad..it is actually worse

my current searches for sales, not auctions is in the 150-200 per 1k !
hand guns are all $800-1200.

glad i do not need either
 
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