factory .22 rimfire

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jaybic

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I am not sure if this belongs here or in the rimfire room but seeing as it does say Benchrest on that one and I am not up for any sort of keyboard-handslapping about posting it in the wrong area, I am posting it here.

I am in the market for some sort of factory .22 rimfire rifle that is know to produce excellent factory level accuracy. I am not looking for a Calfee this or that but just a "better that average" .22 bolt gun.

I have heard the CZs are pretty good, I have a Savage 93 in 17hmr that seems quite willing to shoot and I have 2 10/22s, neither of which blow my mind in the accuracy department.

If any of you had, say, 400.00-600.00 dollars to spend on the most acccurate .22 you could buy for that money, what would it be?

Browning T-bolts are sure cool but do they shoot?
Savage
CZ
How about the old Mossberg target rifles, dont know the model but has the plastic finger grips and is tube fed?
Marling 39a
Winchesters????

I have no ideas on this at all and want to just practice position shooting cheaply.

Other brands/ideas?

Thanks again fellas,

Jamie
 
Thanks Butch,

That is the same one my local gunsmith suggested!

jamie
 
brno!

Jamie, the CZ 452 is a great little rifle, ESPECIALLY for the money!

However, for the stated purpose of practicing position shooting cheaply, (relatively speaking), you may want to consider a Brno #3 or #4. The CZ is a "descendant" if you will, of the Brno. Many consider the fit and finish, and accuracy of the Brno to be higher in quality. $400 to $600 can get one on gunbroker.com that is in practically brand new condition, yet made in the 1950s.

There are some threads you can look up here with the search function to get some more info.

There is more on the Brno on rimfirecentral.com if you look in the CZ forum. There is quite a bit one can learn about these fine rifles there, if you get one, you won't be disappointed!

Good luck!
Greg
 
Perhaps a bit on why I am asking.

I have gotten it in my head that trigger time with an accurate .22 at 50 yards will make me a better shooter at 100 and beyond with my CF rifles with out burning up spendy ammo and primers. I figured that tiny groups with a .22 at 50 might translate to smaller groups at farther out with the big guns and practicing off-hand and various other positions would certainly be cheaper.

Field and Stream magazine had what my buddy and I thought to be an interesting shooting challenge so we tried it and it proved to be a good bit harder that it sounded on paper. Part of it is described below but we shrunk the targets down from deer size(magazine) to a 3 inch circle(coyote heart size).

We were practicing off-hand with some left over pd rounds and neither of us could hit a 3 inch circle at 50 yards with any amount of regularity(which shocked me becuase I would have bet big money that I could hit at least 3 out of 5). My wallet started hurting about shot number 15 when I had only hit it once. The challenge did dictate that westart with the rifle at waist high and a time limit of 5 seconds per shot but still, it was tough. Hence the desire for an accurate.22 to do this with without breaking bank or primer supply.

Do people of the centerfire disciplines do this and is it helpful in improving ones shooting?

Thanks again fellas,

Jamie
 
brno vs. cz

Butch,
I read your posts with great interest, and have been able to learn from what you write, and I appreciate it. I don't want to hijack this, but which 452 do you have, what did you do to the trigger, which Brno do you have, how does the trigger compare to the 452? I got my son a CZ trainer that shot great, trigger drove me nuts though. In a fit of brilliance, I swapped my smart teenage boy my Remington 513 Matchmaster (another fine choice Jamie :)) to the CZ. To sweeten the deal, threw in an extra stock. It came from a US Property stamped 513 and is one of the most spectacular pieces of highly figured walnut I have ever seen. It also looks like the wood was finished with a great deal of a rush job by Remington during WW2. The only thing I can guess at is that they ran out of regular grade wood and had to go to the good stuff to finish a contract. I was going to send it to someone to have it properly finished to show off the beauty of the wood. I also wanted to leave the cartouche intact, because nobody would believe that was a military issue stock otherwise. I never intended to sell the 513, but I was going to a show and needed swapping material. Hence the trade to my boy.

I ended up with an Eric Johnson BSA Martini that had belonged to a shooter name Bill Summerall. I was tickled! I figured I was going to find my son a CZ American and swap him back out of my 513 and extra stock. Kid informs me that it is HIS 513 and extra stock, but thanks for the offer Dad!:D PESKY KID!!!:eek:

Jamie, the reason that I specified the Brno over the CZ for position shooting was the option of competition iron sights, which often come on the rifle, and a heavy stock for use with a sling. Shooting a rimfire doesn't have to be limited to 50 yards. Lots of competition out there on the 100 yard line, and there are folks that shoot rimfire at 200 yards.

Quality trigger time with a good rimfire can only make you a better shooter.

Practice does NOT make perfect......PERFECT practice makes perfect!:)

Listen to Butch, I defer to his wisdom and experience. Sometimes I ain't too smart. After all, I sort of helped my son beat me on a rifle trade!

Good luck!
Greg
 
Brno deal!!

Jamie,

After posting the last post, I went to gunbroker.com and punched in brno. Look at auction #133314906. That is a Brno #3 with competition iron sights and extra inserts in what appears to be new condition. Auction ends on 7/11 I think. This is a nice piece! If I did not already have a Brno #3s, I would definitely want that rifle. If nothing else, I would expect it to appreciate in value. But it should be an outstanding shooter!

No, I don't own it and I don't know who does. That is a good deal though!

Take care,
Greg
 
Greg,
My partner and I are working on a 2oz. trigger for the 452. We have a 6oz, but the bolt release part of it is terrible. Our new prototype looks very good and is working well. My Buddy of 50yrs is an engineering designer and this has been quite a challenge for him. We have had a little help from Arnold Jewell, John Cook{Australia}, and John Pierce. It has been a slow process. We probably won't have it in production until after Thanksgiving if the prototype continues to work well. With a small amount of changes it will work on the #3&4 Brnos.
My special to me Brno is a Mod. 1 or as some call a ZKM 451.
Butch
 
Anyone tried the Sako Quad? I was thinking of doing a build based on it.

My 17HMR is Anschutz and my 22 is a Volquartsen in 1022 style. I only shoot turtles with the 17 but the little auto Volquartsen will outshoot my ability. I just keep itching to have one in a bolt gun.
 
The Russian CM-2 is a gun that many are unfamiliar with but at under $600 new from MTGuns it is a steal. Used versions can be had for about $300 from CDNN. I have 4 CZ 452's a Biathlon Basic (Russian) a CM-2 Adult and a 1907 Anschutz. The CM-2 has a better bore than the Anschutz judging by the finish when viewed through a borescope and the Anschutz barrel fouls easily because of the roughness.
I currently have one of my 452's in a BRNO target stock and my complaint about it is the trigger is so far back in the trigger guard and close to the grip that it is darn near impossible to get a good hand/finger position and needs a shoe to make trigger control a reality. This is not an issue in the OEM sporter stock.
Back to the CM-2. It comes in an Adult and a youth model, mine is the Adult.
It will shoot competitively with all but custom. It comes with sights, sling, cleaning rod, brushes and jags. The forearm is very flat which should work well for entry level BR. I shoot NRA Smallbore Prone and have modified mine with an Anschutz rail, Alex Sitman cheekpiece, MEC alloy buttplate and champchoice sight extension tube and clamp. The Achilles heel on the CM-2 other than cosmetics is that the receiver is grooved only on the rear of the receiver for the aperture sights. You'll need to have a special scope mount and I'm clueless on scopes and mounts.
 
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I love my T-bolt--it is the one with the heavy barrel about $530- great fit and finish and fig. Walnut stock. Trigger is about as low as I can get the Fact. Ajust. 3 1/5 Lb. It will shoot 3/4'' all day long at 30 yards with the cheap bulk 22 ammo. I would say 1/2" with good target ammo.


GW.
 
Please do not take this the wrong way jaybic.

Have you ever been taught how to aim and fire?

When I got into "High Power" I went to Ft. Benning, Georgia and took the Army Shooting Team course. The two things that increased my scores the most ( not counting reading wind ) was how to squeeze the trigger and how to aim while squeezing so you fire at the target in the same point each and every time especially shooting offhand at 200 yds. without a sling.

Each of these issues increased my score 20 points.

"Aim small miss small", :D

gt40
 
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CZ452. Fit and quality with the CZ are hard to beat unless you double or triple the price. Timney makes a trigger for the CZ. I sprung for a set of Talley rings for mine, salty but clean looking, low mounting and no clearence issues.

Mine will tear a ragged hole at 25 under a half most days at 50yards. Mine is a sporter weight for squirrel poping not paper punching.
 
Voting/opinion??

The CZ452 Varmint gets my vote-Stan-share your sport:)
 
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