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New shooter looking for a place to shoot either 600 or 1000. I'm not sure of the classes. I could use a "mentor".
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Pa Mountain Boy
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Bridgeville DE, We just started our season for IBS 600yd match. We are shooting a 2 day match next month if you want to come and see what it's about. The schedule for Bridgeville is on the IBS site for long range. We shoot factory, LG (17lbs and below) and HG classes. You will get alot more shooting at 600yd matches than you will at 1,000yd matches. 600yd shoots a 4 target agg for group and score. So there is 20 match rounds plus sighters for each gun you shoot. If I'm making a trip over an hour, i want to shoot more than 5 rds plus sighters like the 1000yd guys do. Bring a gun and ammo and give it a try. There's plenty of people to help you. Bridgeville is 2.5 hours from Fredericksburg, Va. Not a bad ride. We have people from western Pa, New York and other states every match.
You will get alot more shooting at 600yd matches than you will at 1,000yd matches. 600yd shoots a 4 target agg for group and score. So there is 20 match rounds plus sighters for each gun you shoot. If I'm making a trip over an hour, i want to shoot more than 5 rds plus sighters like the 1000yd guys do.
Can't we leave the spin to the politicians? These days, looks like ALL the 1,000 yard clubs hold two matches in one day. It's not like the old days at Hawks Ridge, where the 75+ competitors with 2 guns took all day.
So, you start out with the ability/need to fire 5 rounds twice, and 10 rounds twice. Last time I looked, that's 30 rounds. Still less than at 600 -- that would be 40 rounds (and never more), but a long way form the "5 rounds" you mention.
But wait. You might win a relay at 1,000. These days, all you gotta do is beat 5-7 other guys and you shoot again.
Here's the IBS long-range schedule for an entire year.
http://internationalbenchrest.com/schedule/long_range.php
How many 1K matches where there is only one per fay?
There may be reasons to prefer 600 to 1,000, but let's let this tired old chestnut die.
Pa Mountain Boy -
What about 10-shots for record in HV-gun?
What about Shoot-offs?
Aren't these still the IBS-1000 format?
Isn't Penn-1000 still 10/10 ?
When I go to a IBS-600 I take/load 70-rounds per day (40+30 minimum)
When I go to a IBS-1000 I take/load 90-rounds per day (60+30 minimum)
I've never been to IBS-1000 range that didn't shoot 2 matches per day (and don't want to).
Both 600/1000 are a blast. I myself find the extra 400yds of 1000 more challenging and less forgiving.
I'm still in hopes of a day to come that the IBS-600 format becomes a 10-shots in HV-gun option (with a moving backer).
Now that would be a lot more fun - IMO
Happy Shooting
Donovan Moran
5 rds plus sighters like the 1000yd guys do
What about 10-shots for record in HV-gun?
What about Shoot-offs?
Aren't these still the IBS-1000 format?
Isn't Penn-1000 still 10/10 ?
When I go to a IBS-600 I take/load 70-rounds per day (40+30 minimum)
When I go to a IBS-1000 I take/load 90-rounds per day (60+30 minimum)
I've never been to IBS-1000 range that didn't shoot 2 matches per day (and don't want to).
Both 600/1000 are a blast. I myself find the extra 400yds of 1000 more challenging and less forgiving.
I'm still in hopes of a day to come that the IBS-600 format becomes a 10-shots in HV-gun option (with a moving backer).
Now that would be a lot more fun - IMO
Happy Shooting
Donovan Moran
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First, thanks for the numbers, Donovan, it's a good, clear presentation. Only thing is that little snippet part..
I bet you would have liked it. 75 to 100 people at a match, a sort of mini-nationals every month. Pennsylvania still has that many people, try it at least once.
Here's two stories:
"Ma! Guess what. Everybody at the match kicked my butt, but I got to shoot 40 times!"
versus
"Ma, Guess what. I went to the match & outshot 75 people!"
Y'all pick.
If shooting a lot of rounds floats you boat, find some kind of class 3 competition. Or maybe just practice?
I've never been to IBS-1000 range that didn't shoot 2 matches per day (and don't want to).
I bet you would have liked it. 75 to 100 people at a match, a sort of mini-nationals every month. Pennsylvania still has that many people, try it at least once.
Here's two stories:
"Ma! Guess what. Everybody at the match kicked my butt, but I got to shoot 40 times!"
versus
"Ma, Guess what. I went to the match & outshot 75 people!"
Y'all pick.
If shooting a lot of rounds floats you boat, find some kind of class 3 competition. Or maybe just practice?
I bet you would have liked it. 75 to 100 people at a match, a sort of mini-nationals every month. Pennsylvania still has that many people, try it at least once.
18 to 20 Bench Relays, like we shoot over here, are a similar circumstance (especially before the rules got changed).
I have shot Penn1000 in Montana. And will/hope/try to get to the World some day.
If Hawks Ridge sanctions IBS again some day and runs 2, or holds some sort of big match event, I would indeed try to make it over.
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VA78:
I forgot to add:
Don't know about F-class, but 1,000 yard ranges are hard to come by. AFAIK, there aren't any, outside Quantico, in Virginia. Same for 600 yard ranges, though since 600 is a regular highpower distance, there are likely some ranges that hold 600 yard F-class matches I don't know about. Your post on the F-class forum should help with that.
If traveling less than 2-3 hours is one of your needs, I'd think short-range benchrest, esp score, would be the place to look.
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Oh, I see you deleted your post on the F-class forum... Think that was your best hope for something close to where you live...
I forgot to add:
Don't know about F-class, but 1,000 yard ranges are hard to come by. AFAIK, there aren't any, outside Quantico, in Virginia. Same for 600 yard ranges, though since 600 is a regular highpower distance, there are likely some ranges that hold 600 yard F-class matches I don't know about. Your post on the F-class forum should help with that.
If traveling less than 2-3 hours is one of your needs, I'd think short-range benchrest, esp score, would be the place to look.
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Oh, I see you deleted your post on the F-class forum... Think that was your best hope for something close to where you live...
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Pa Mountain Boy
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Your right Donovan I forgot the shoot off , that's if we make the shoot off. I guess we will both be waiting sometime, you for the 600yd game to shoot 10 rd HG and me, for the 1,000 yd game go to a 2 or 3 target agg match per gun. I never understood it, they can hold 2 matches a day but when it was brought up to try to shoot more than one target in a match, clubs went nuts and said it couldn't be done. Well we proved it could be done and did it at Quantico with a big turn out of shooters. We shot a 2 target agg match and still had plenty of time in the day left. You just got to push the line hard in regards to time. Are ya coming over to Bridgeville next month? They will have a match on Saturday and one on Sunday.
Pa Mountain Boy -
Double 1000 match days is what we shoot over here. And also 4-match/2-dayers.
For 1000yd, I'm against aggregate regular matches. Reason being, I see mother-nature would determine the outcome more days then not. It's obvious to me when I study the 1000yd results, and is the backbone to Shoot-off formats.
Mother-nature is to big of factor at 1000 when comparing to the short-range (100 to 600) aggregate formats - IMO
Happy Shooting
Donovan Moran
Double 1000 match days is what we shoot over here. And also 4-match/2-dayers.
For 1000yd, I'm against aggregate regular matches. Reason being, I see mother-nature would determine the outcome more days then not. It's obvious to me when I study the 1000yd results, and is the backbone to Shoot-off formats.
Mother-nature is to big of factor at 1000 when comparing to the short-range (100 to 600) aggregate formats - IMO
Happy Shooting
Donovan Moran
Pa Mountain Boy -
Double 1000 match days is what we shoot over here. And also 4-match/2-dayers.
For 1000yd, I'm against aggregate regular matches. Reason being, I see mother-nature would determine the outcome more days then not. It's obvious to me when I study the 1000yd results, and is the backbone to Shoot-off formats.
Mother-nature is to big of factor at 1000 when comparing to the short-range (100 to 600) aggregate formats - IMO
Happy Shooting
Donovan Moran
IBS still requires a shootoff when shooting an aggregate at regular 1000yd IBS matches. That is exactly how Byers did it, actually still does.
3 target agg. then on to the shootoff. I think it is a better gauge of the best shooter at the match.
James
James -
Yep - that is a great format also !!! ...
I should of put that in my post above, and is a IBS option for ranges wanting to shoot multi-target format.
2 or 3-target Relay aggregate / Relay winners qualify/advance to the Shoot-off, and square off in equal conditions !!!!
As with my 600yd hopes of 10-shot HV-Gun, would like to see it added as an optional format, not as a complete change. Such optional formats give the ranges choices, which I see as positives and promotional.
And CRC's venue to holding National's (12-target aggregate<> 6+6 ), is much desired by many and is some serious shooting !!!
CRC is a top notch facility and has the experience and room to running big matches. One of the best ran events I've ever shoot was when I was in attendance for the 2006 National's there.
Happy Shooting
Donovan Moran
Yep - that is a great format also !!! ...
I should of put that in my post above, and is a IBS option for ranges wanting to shoot multi-target format.
2 or 3-target Relay aggregate / Relay winners qualify/advance to the Shoot-off, and square off in equal conditions !!!!
As with my 600yd hopes of 10-shot HV-Gun, would like to see it added as an optional format, not as a complete change. Such optional formats give the ranges choices, which I see as positives and promotional.
And CRC's venue to holding National's (12-target aggregate<> 6+6 ), is much desired by many and is some serious shooting !!!
CRC is a top notch facility and has the experience and room to running big matches. One of the best ran events I've ever shoot was when I was in attendance for the 2006 National's there.
Happy Shooting
Donovan Moran
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