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Has anyone seen any results from ARs at 100/200 group matches? I'm curious as to what kind of groups people are getting in them and I'm wondering if my newly rebuilt black rifle will be competitive.
 
amamnn said:
Has anyone seen any results from ARs at 100/200 group matches? I'm curious as to what kind of groups people are getting in them and I'm wondering if my newly rebuilt black rifle will be competitive.
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In my experience, AR's in benchrest competition are so rare that I've only experienced them in the factory class in my matches. Most of them have been heavy barrel AR's fired off a bipod. They were not competitive with the factory Remington "sniper" type or Savage factory rifles in the same caliber (223). To be competitive in the Hunter style benchrest matches a rifle must be able to produce consistent 3/8's groups (or less) with five shots. In most cases one is competing against Hunter rifles capable of .250 groups or less, and Varmint for Score rifles capable of .150 groups.

The most capable rifles I've seen compete in the last couple of years in the factory class that come right out of the box, are the Savage 308's. These are some very accurate rifles and sometimes score in the mid 230's or low 240's out of a 250 possible.

If it were me and I only could afford one rifle and that was an accurate AR15, I try Service Rifle competition where the shooters talent is more important than a rifle capable of .150 inch groups.

Good luck with yours,
virg
 
Yeh, me too.

I haven't heard anything one way or another about how the experimental AR class is going in IBS. ........JACKIE
 
me thinks your stock rifle will be fun to shoot, tho only competitive with similar rifles.
move to a custom chamber with an appropriate twist for the bullet....br scope, quality rest , flat foreend and things get better........2 of my three br ar's do what is described above. the third is having extraction issues...a 6beggs.


and i too would like to hear from clubs that have held matches under the new ar rules.....

mike in co
( my avatar is a 308 win 100 yd group from an ar10)
 
I would not even think of trying it with my stock AR. I have another that was worked over by Mike at Dedicated Tech and sports a 1/14 Shilen select match barrel chambered in 6WSSM that I'm trying loads with XBR powder, since someone mentioned on another thread that the XBR might work better in larger capacity cases. So far it works pretty well. I wonder if something like the Sinclair BR adapter that you can fit on the bottom of the forend would be legal?
 
the rules are posted on the competition fourum...tho clubs may have thier own rules.
at my club i have to shoot against the bolt guns.
mike in co
 
What parts constitute an AR BR rifle?

Anyne know of what parts are used in AR BR? What kind of barrel, what kind of upper? What kind of trigger, etc. I would think a Varmint-Type upper is a good place to start.

Steve
 
are you talking about shoting an ar in the matches and to thier rules for ar's...
or are you talking about shooting an ar in benchrest matches ???
the rules for the ar class eliminate most of my benchrest ar's...ok with me...my ar's are BENCHREST rifles.
so tell me what you plan on doing...ar class at a br match or benchrest with an ar....

you can do a search on this forum and find my rilfes, my progress and go from there.

mike in co
 
AR Shooters

Didn't exactly flood the IBS Score matches I ran or attended at other venues. I saw perhaps 3 all year and two of them decided not to shoot after they arrived.

I think because shooting Benchrest isn't vaguely close to what an AR was designed to do, they don't fit very well with Benchrest competitions. As someone suggests, they are better suited to shooting at larger targets with a corser environment. I recall being at my Home Range one day and noticed that a felow there who was shooting his AR from the Prone Position had thought it ok to help himself to my windflags.

While I was pleased that he was comfortable enough to do that I was somewhat surprised when I looked at his group and saw that it had about 2" of vertical in it. I told him what it looked like and he thought that was good enough for him to be able to compete. To be competative in Benchrest one needs to be within an actual 1/4" @ 200yds.

It is not easy to offer a comparison but I will say it may roughly be like trying to compete in a NASCAR Truck race witrha CJ-7 or the like of that. Two machines designed for a totally different purpose.
 
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pete is correct for probably 98% of the ar's out there. then there are varmit guns maybe another 1%, then true marksman rifles used in police and military...maybe 1/2 %...amd then there are us that believe the platform is less expensive than the std br rifle and build BENCH REST COMPETITION rifles out of them.
i get under .2 with my 223 , under .2 with my 308win br...and still working( well its sitting) on my 6 beggs.

triggers are the big holdup in my opinion.
mike in co
 
I don't know if any have been shot at group matches, a few were shot at some score matches early last year but the interest faded pretty quick, after the first couple months I haven't seen one at a match. It was about as expected I think.
 
i think one of the issues with the new class was the narrow minded apporach by some bolt gun guys with the rules.
as example...there is no rule in std br that requires your brass to stay on your bench...but for some stupid reason(unreasonable in my opinon) ar class is not allowed to have brass go off thier bench.....just plain stupid.
simple things like this inhibit new shooters.
the wording about semi auto funtion when in hunter there is never a requirement to load from the mag(opening).....
sorry but a good idea got distorted in its presentation...
mike in co
 
Look at a ready to go bench rifle for any class, look at the best of the AR's. Do they look like they belong on the same track. 5, 5shot group's at 100, 5, 5 shot group's at 200. One billfold group does'nt work here.
 
What do you mean?

B.Johnson said:
Look at a ready to go bench rifle for any class, look at the best of the AR's. Do they look like they belong on the same track. 5, 5shot group's at 100, 5, 5 shot group's at 200. One billfold group does'nt work here.
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I don't know what you mean by this post?
 
I mean those rifle's are not in the same class. Look at the bench rest agg's. You want to run in that game with a .22 semi-auto, or any cal., case of your choice. Tell the top bench shooters' your coming with the best AR ever made. I'll bet that will cause some real concern. The Indy 500 is coming up, thinking about entering the wife's car.
 
I see

B.Johnson said:
I mean those rifle's are not in the same class. Look at the bench rest agg's. You want to run in that game with a .22 semi-auto, or any cal., case of your choice. Tell the top bench shooters' your coming with the best AR ever made. I'll bet that will cause some real concern. The Indy 500 is coming up, thinking about entering the wife's car.
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I see!

However, the AR is supposed to be a separate class, where only shooters with AR's compete with each other. They shouldn't be in the unlimited class.
 
I don't think were singing from the same page anymore. I thought we were talking about total accuracy. If you have a hot shooting AR, take it to Camp Perry, don't take it to the Super Shoot.
 
same page?

I'm talking about shooting an AR in the AR class at a BR match. I started this just wanting to know what parts are on an AR that is used in the AR class in the BR match. If anyone can help me with this or can direct me to a link, please do so!!!

Steve
 
Contact Adrian VanGorder, he was on the committee that developed the class rules and he did shoot a few matches with an AR. Jerry Reisdorf had one of the better shooting AR's in our area, it was chamber for a ppc! Send Adrian a PM or e-mail, I'm sure he can answer your questions.
 
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