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My local club runs a 200 yard informal benchrest match for semi-autos (as well as conventional BR rifles). I have an AR under construction and I'm trying to decide on the cartridge to use. I'm thinking 220 Beggs, but I don't know if I can get the velocity up to where I need to be without running into some pressure limitations with the AR platform. I need 3550 to 3600 FPS, with one of the many good 52 grain bullets that are available. This is my first AR build so what I don't know could fill volumes, I'm sure. There is no weight limitation to worry about. The upper receiver I have on order is of heavier construction than standard to support longer heavier barrels better. Any guidance anyone can offer would be much appreciated. I've read what I could find on the forum, but it mostly deals with the .223 Rem. TIA.
 
Are you trying to beat the bolt actions or just the other auto's ?

I would go with a 14 twist [ might need 12 ] 223 with BR grade 52 gr bullets.

Flinging Lapua brass down onto the concrete isn't something I would choose to do.
 
Are you trying to beat the bolt actions or just the other auto's ?

I would go with a 14 twist [ might need 12 ] 223 with BR grade 52 gr bullets.

Flinging Lapua brass down onto the concrete isn't something I would choose to do.

Just other semi-autos and I plan to use a brass catcher. I think a 12 twist will be required for a .223 because of the velocity, but I think a .220 Beggs would be much better if I don't have any pressure problems.
 
i have three benchrest ar's
i would try a 6mm beggs over the 22, get a 7.62x39 bolt and go to work.

or a 222 in std platform with a 14 twist

my 223 has just gotten under .2

my ar10 308 small grp is a .116

you can do a search on the bechrest forum for more data.
get a single stage trigger and liten it if it is to be a dedicated br gun.
turn off the gas
free float tube, with a 3x7x.5 flat on the bottom if allowed
high powered scope( i use 36x lue br's)

mike in co
 
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i have three benchrest ar's
i would try a 6mm beggs over the 22, get a 7.62x39 bolt and go to work.


my 223 has just gotten under .2



mike in co

Why would you recommend the 6mm Beggs over the .220? Could you give me some details about the .223, twist, load, velocity achieved, etc? I'll understand if you don't want to reveal anything, but that performance is impressive.
 
I participate in informal AR "internet" matches on another site.
The rules are pretty loose and there are several divisions: 50yd, 100yd, 200yd with iron and optics. Basically, we shoot a group, then scan the target into the computer and post up. It is an attempt to get people interested in competitive shooting. The best guy is doing .3's 5 shot group at 100 yards, and high .3's at 200.

"Mike in CO" gave me great info that helped me shrink my groups from .64in to .50 in at 100 yards. AA 2330 has been fantastic for all bullets 36gr to 75gr in .223. Another recommendation Mike told me about is a loading block so you can stuff bullets into the rifling. Original Bob Sled works great. It is made of Del-rin. They make a model for NRA high power, and one that fits flush. I use the one that fits flush.

The front stock plate Mike is mentioning would be essential to getting really tight groups. You can find pictures on 6mmbr site under .223 section. The front tube on my varmint AR is round and wobbles on a pedestal rest. I am still hunting for someone to make me one. My tool and die uncle retired, and he was the only one I know could do it. I am stuffing a towel in between my rest and the rifle to hold it in place.

Larry Medler: http://home.comcast.net/~larrymedler/asset.htm

A Stag 7 in 6.8 SPC made a "oh" or "teen" 3-shot group with SSA 110gr Accubond.

The Tubb 2000 is a bolt action based on AR. It is a very accurate rifle. His 6mm XC looks awesome.

Trigger, scope, barrel and loads are necessary to stay consistently .25 MOA or better. From reading the results on this site and others, this is where you have to be to win.

There are several barrel companies that make top notch barrels for AR. Shilen, Krieger, Hart to name a few.

Trigger - Good luck here. Geiselle and Jewell are 2 top names in AR triggers, but they are 2 stage. You will be competing with rifles that have 2oz single stage triggers. Timney and Chip McCormick made single stage, but the Timney is 3lb pull. I am playing with springs on a stock trigger, but eyeing the Jewell.

Scopes - scopes are the same. March, Nightforce, Leupold on the high end. Sightron and Burris make 8-32x scopes are around $800. Weaver 36x is about $400. I like really tall rings and the scope set back quite a bit. I shoot from behind the rifle with my arms crossed and I am squeezing the rear bag (Protektor) for elevation adjustment.

Rear stock - stuff lead in the A2 or get a JP Rifles wood one (not sure if they sell it or it is display only) or Magpul PRS (looks like it would slide in rear bag well).

Grip - I use the Magpul MIAD grip, which is a "tacticool", but it allows me a comfy, light hold in a good position.

I use the Badger Ordnance tactical latch. It works great under a scope. I got a pretty good rhythm with it, the Bob Sled, and a brass catcher I have strapped to the front stock. Some guys are using a bolt handle now.

Bolt assemblies: je ne sais pas. There are lots, some are chromed or Ti coated. Not sure if it matters for accuracy.

Remove the sling hardware.
 
I missed the part about removing the gas system on Mike's post.

For newbies, such as myself, what is involved in removing the gas system?

There are couple people making a rear stock elevation part that fits in the A2 stock. It looks like a bolt.
 
I missed the part about removing the gas system on Mike's post.

For newbies, such as myself, what is involved in removing the gas system?

There are couple people making a rear stock elevation part that fits in the A2 stock. It looks like a bolt.

simple no gas system is to remove the gas block, weither frt sire assy or frt site base. remove the gas tube, install a frt gas block, rotated 90 or 180 or whatever to block the gas port. not all rounds exract well this way, my 223 br has a gas system.


6 beggs over 22 beggs.....cause it has similar characteristics as 6ppc which has quite a record. you could try either.

the 223 bbl is 26"hart. 1/14 twist, loads are between 3500 and 3600 fps, match grade 52 / 53's, n133 is a great powder, but my best is with a slow lot of 8208...a mil surplus powder. there is an attempt to make new lots of this powder, maybe available in jan or so( the original lot, not my slow lot) .

for the frt plate, draw a 3 x 6 )or 7 or 8) x .5 block on paper, draw a valley down the length, the same radius as the freefloat tube on your rifle. tale it to a small maching shop and ask them how much ?

mike in co
 
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6mm, because you still have to shoot in the wind. Lots of vary good 6mm bullets out there. With a .22 you really learn what the wind can do to you.


Never ever get led away by a few tiny groups, you want tiny aggs for five 5 shot groups. It a lot like bracket racing. A dedicated rifle for bench shooting is the only way to go.:D
 
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