6MM BR Load Question

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ehkempf

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I have three 6MM BR rifles. One is a 40X with 22” barrel 1-14 twist the other two are a 40X and Rem. 700 both with 26” barrels and 1-12 twist. All three seem to shoot very well with 68-70 g bullets using H4895 with loads between 30.7 to 31.1 g. This load does not fill the case. From the group of benchrest shooters that I shoot with, they all shoot either 6 PPC or 30BR; they all say that the case needs to be nearly filled for best results. I know I cannot do this using H4895. So my question is there a better powder selection that I should be trying. I am interested in only short range (100, 200 yard) VFS type shooting. Why the need for a nearly filled case?

Thanks,

Ed
 
I just did a Google search on "calculate load density" and the first thing that popped up was a discussion on another forum that contained several methods of doing this. There is also software that will do this for you, such as "QuickLOAD" which is reviewed on 6mmBR.com. It will suggest which powders give the highest load density, which saves you from buying ones that wouldn't work out. John Barsness seems to like that one as he mentions it in his articles. None of this stuff is exact, because case volumes vary and powder varies by lot. However, it will get you close. I own two 6 BR's but have not paid much attention to load density as yet. In my 30 BR 36 grains of Benchmark fills the case to the base of the bullet and a scooch more and gives excellent accuracy. This powder seems to have some bulk, but I have not yet tried it in the 6mm BR. I am thinking of buying QuickLOAD. I think the closer you get to a full case, the less the powder will settle when the round is chambered, therefore more consistent results. I cannot state this authoritatively, but I suspect that you might not notice much difference between 93 and 97 percent, but 86 percent wouldn't be so good. I subscribe to Loaddata.com from Handloader magazine. It indicates that H322 or VV-N133 might be good choices for you, but it doesn't reference load densities. I would suggest trying 80 grain Berger flat base bullets in your 12 inch twist for 200 yards and under. It might buck wind better than the 68-70 grain bullets.
 
I have three 6MM BR rifles. One is a 40X with 22” barrel 1-14 twist the other two are a 40X and Rem. 700 both with 26” barrels and 1-12 twist. All three seem to shoot very well with 68-70 g bullets using H4895 with loads between 30.7 to 31.1 g. This load does not fill the case. From the group of benchrest shooters that I shoot with, they all shoot either 6 PPC or 30BR; they all say that the case needs to be nearly filled for best results. I know I cannot do this using H4895. So my question is there a better powder selection that I should be trying. I am interested in only short range (100, 200 yard) VFS type shooting. Why the need for a nearly filled case?

Thanks,

Ed

Have you tried Varget ?

Dick
 
I have three 6MM BR rifles. One is a 40X with 22” barrel 1-14 twist the other two are a 40X and Rem. 700 both with 26” barrels and 1-12 twist. All three seem to shoot very well with 68-70 g bullets using H4895 with loads between 30.7 to 31.1 g. This load does not fill the case. From the group of benchrest shooters that I shoot with, they all shoot either 6 PPC or 30BR; they all say that the case needs to be nearly filled for best results. I know I cannot do this using H4895. So my question is there a better powder selection that I should be trying. I am interested in only short range (100, 200 yard) VFS type shooting. Why the need for a nearly filled case? Thanks, Ed

Ed,

Why not convert one of those rifles with a new barrel chambered for the 30BR?

You're already using the parent case. Just neck it up. If you like shooting VFS, the conversion will drop you into a whole new accuracy experience with your friends.

This might give you some ideas: http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/30br/ :)
 
I shoot a 6mm BR, or I did for a while. I finally settled on VV135. Mine is a 12 twist and it likes the 68 grainers.

Good luck,

glen
 
ehkempf and others interested

I have been shooting the 6BR since 1988.
After several barrels (all 1-14 twist / 65 - 70 grain bullets)
I would rate powders I have tested the most as follows:

1. Norma 202
2. IMR 4895
3. VV - 135
4. H - BLC2
5. Norma 201 (!?)
6. IMR 4198 (!?)
7. VV - 133

Barrels used: Hart, Shilens and Krieger.
Bullets used: Wirhtlin, Berger, Bruno, Hollister, Shilen, Sierra and Gentner.
Primers used: Rem 7.5, Fed 205M, Hirtenberger and CCI BR4.

I did not expect the faster powders (!?) to shoot any good but they did even
though they were far from being a 95 - 99% capacity load in the 6BR case!
Always learning something new in this great sport of ours!!

Regards,
Magnús Sigurdsson
Reykjavik, ICELAND.
 
I did not expect the faster powders (!?) to shoot any good but they did even
though they were far from being a 95 - 99% capacity load in the 6BR case!
ICELAND.

I like a load that that has the case filled to 100% density, even a little compressed. This is not to say that is a requirement to shoot well it is simply a contributing factor. I think perhaps the fact that a very full to slightly compressed powder column will always be stacked against the primer exactly the same way may have something to do with the consistency of ignition.

However a load can definitely shoot very well with empty space left inside the case. It is kind of like the small versus large primers argument in BR and PPC cases, people have been arguing about if this really makes a positive difference for 30+ years, you may not see the difference in several dozen groups shot by an individual. But the overwhelming opinion of a few thousand shooters over a few thousand aggregates is the small rifle primer (and probably with the smaller flash hole) is more accurate in the short fat cases.
Dick
 
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