30BR at the Super Shoot

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How many guys out there are planning on shooting their 30 BR's at the Super Shoot or any of the other big shoots this year?
Ted
 
I really was unaware that the Super shoot has become a score match? Or is it still a group match? You are kidding aren't you Ted?

The .30 BR is as accurate as the 6PPC, but offers nothing extra for the group game accept some recoil, which is not needed in shooting group.

In the score game the .30 BR offers the same accuracy as the 6PPC, but it offers more paper removal which sometimes means dot removal or more importantly ring removal. The little extra recoil is not a problem.

So are you bringing your .30 BR to the Super Shoot?

Paul
 
me & a friend are both bringing ours,shot last year with mine & had a blast,hope to see alot more of them there this year,last year it was only me & dick spencer,kinda outnumbered!
 
No I'm Not kidding.
Just wanted to see if any of the 30BR shooters/supporters out there wanted to take the 30BR to the next level in group shooting.
I mean we've all heard "The .30 BR is as accurate as the 6PPC" many times and a few times it has been displayed at group shoots, but I wanted to see who might be willing to step up this year and seal its place in history.
I don't have a 30BR and I'm Not going to the Super Shoot. It is just to far away for me to go right now. I hope to go one day, but I might go to Raton this year.
But if I did go I would show up with the infamous 257TED.

Let me add that what is needed in group shooting is the most accurate round available, and how do we know that it isn't the 30BR until it really gets rung out.
 
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don't count on me proving the 30br,i'm going to have fun & shoot the best i can,i'm a score shooter not a group shooter!the gun will shoot way better than i'm capable of!got new brass,new bullets & a new march scope so i hope i'll just be respectable,just have to wait & see what happens,i just like the experience,great bunch of people,great time,would highly recommend going if you've never done it
 
FBecigneul said:
Why take the added recoil when the result is the same in regards to group measurement?
"The .30 BR is as accurate as the 6PPC"
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The results aren't necessarily the same. When they are in tune they are the same but a 30 doesn't seem to drift out of tune like a PPC.
 
he's right,i go preloaded & never change,been shooting them same load for 2 years,it's nice to have time to wander around & learn a little instead of having to spend time loading
 
There will probably be 2 or three.

I will predict that there will be none in the top 100 for the 2-gun. It is easy to say that the .30 BR is just as accurate as the 6PPC, but I don't think that that has been established at this time. The .30 Br is quite a fine cartridge but to say that is equal to the 6PPC ....like that is an established fact is at best pre-mature.

Until the .30BR has been shot in group competiton enough to establish some world records, I would not be too anxious to declare it equal to the PPC.... .22 or 6mm. The data is not there to support this. Good shooting...James Mock
 
i guarantee i won't be in the top 100 in 2 gun,i'm only shooting heavy varmint,hoping to make the top 100 in hv though!
 
FBecigneul said:
Why take the added recoil when the result is the same in regards to group measurement?
"The .30 BR is as accurate as the 6PPC"
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There are some people who seem to think that over the course of the day the 30BR is better than the 6PPC because it stays in tune better.
If I KNEW that to be true. I would show up to matches with one.

Mr 223
Don't beat yourself before the match starts. To win you don't have to be the best shooter there. You just have to be the guy who shot best that day.
 
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The .30 BR is as accurate as the 6PPC. For Score the .30 BR is better, for previous stated reasons. For group the 6PPC is better over time, for reasons stated, recoil on the shooter, and also not mentioned it upsets the bags. In score you change aiming points everyshot, upset bags are not much problem... In group you may need to slam five downrange real quick... The Bags need to be not upset. That James Mock is why you wont see the .30 BR in the top listing in many group matches. It has nothing to do with the accuracy of the cartridge, but more so the inability of many shooters to shoot it every day of competition. The reverse couild be said about the 6PPC not being able to compete in Score... fact is many, like Dave Short have an adgenda against the .30's. They feel that shooting their 6mm's they are undergunned at score matches against .30's.

Paul
 
" ..... They feel that shooting their 6mm's they are undergunned at score matches against .30's ........."

They are !

A 6mm has to be more accurate or shot better than a 30 just to equal it in score.

The 30 wins in score because it is accurate and it punches out a bigger hole, if you guys had an outer gauging target and had to fit the bullet inside the ring not cut the outside of the ring score shooting would be dominated by short 22 PPC's !

The 30's edge in score is simply the result of the way the rules were written. It'll be interesting over time to see if it ever makes any real inroads in group, other than a win here and there.

Bryce
 
HellOOOpauLLL.........

pbike said:
fact is many, like Dave Short have an adgenda against the .30's. They feel that shooting their 6mm's they are undergunned at score matches against .30's.
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Paul
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Hey Paul, I suggest that you at least look around and see if the defendant is present before you prosecute him, OK?

I have no "agenda" against the 30BR............I use the 30 for score, because I'd be foolish to give up the scoring advantage it posseses. I didn't feel "undergunned" against the 30 when it started to win some years ago, I just realized that The 30 was scoring higher.........even when the shooter wasn't shooting as well as the guy on the next bench with a 6mm.

So, Paul, next time you choose to quote me, don't paraphrase..............here is what I'm saying: I'm smart enough to tie my shoes, therefore, I'm smart enough to understand a 30 cuts a bigger hole than a 6mm. No agenda there, now is there?

-Dave-:p
 
30's

I believe it is well established that a good 30BR (or a 30PPC), is just as "accurate" as a 6PPC, or even a22 PPC Short. By accuracy, I mean being able to sit down at the bench and shoot sub .200 groups.
But, as has been said, if it is no more accurate, then what's the point. The old "it's" different" thing has worn off. Regardless of how you try to down play it, the things do hit you harder. And while that might not seem much when compared to larger case capacities, it is significant when compared to the 6.
For score shooting, a 30 is the only choice as far as I am concerned. Great Bullets, Great Barrels, and that big hole it punches in the paper. It's a no-brainer.
But for group. Simplelogic is on the side of the smaller calibers.
Incidentally, I don't buy into that "the 30 stays in tune better" thing. Maybe for shooters who can't tune a 6PPC, but when you get to the top of the game, that is not the case.
Go and win some aggs in Registered Group Competition, perhaps acoupleof Two Guns, then the argument will hold a lot more water.........jackie
 
Go and win some aggs in Registered Group Competition, perhaps acoupleof Two Guns, then the argument will hold a lot more water.........jackie[/QUOTE]

Hear, Hear!!
 
This strikes me as a sort of silly question. If there are any shooters who are at the National level in both group and score, there aren't many.

Anyone shooting a .30 at the Super Shoot would do so only if they didn't have a 6mm or .22 that would shoot as well as their .30. At a big match, you shoot your best barrel; that's what you save it for. And it is unlikely anyone who can compete at the National Level for group is not going to have a 6mm or .22 as their best barrel.

None of this speaks to those of us who aren't national level competitors. We have our fun, and I'll not hesitate to shoot my .30 in HV at a group match, because it is a better barrel than any of my four 6-PPC barrels. And I'm not going to wear it out prematurely because I'm primarily a long-range shooter. I'm not going to the SS, but there might be someone in like me who goes, and might shot a .30 for the same reason. But none of that speaks to any sort of "which is better" question.
 
i shoot a 30br because i primarily shoot score,i do it because i don't have a ppc,i only shoot 1 or 2 group matches a year,i shoot the super shoot because i have a good time & like the people,won't ever claim to be a national class shooter,just enjoy shooting whether it be group or score,if i do well that's fine,if not i always come away learning something
 
I encourage everyone who has a 30BR to use it at the Supershoot.

Just make sure you get into the cash option (for those of us that don't have one)!

Lee:D
 
Dave Short,

I know where you stand, I listened to your arguments both in and out of the meetings at the last 2 Winter Meetings for the IBS. At both meetings more than once you voiced your opinion that the 6 is out gunned by the .30 and even made mention, that the LV VFS class could or should be reserved for cartridges less than .30 caliber. You stated to me, and my father and others present that the 6mm's are outgunned by the .30's and it isn't a fair game for VFS for the 6mm's. You have even suggested some form of a scoring method that counts from the center of the hit rather than the edges.

Don't call me out in front of hundreds replacing the words you said in front of few.

Paul
 
pbike said:
Dave Short,

I know where you stand, I listened to your arguments both in and out of the meetings at the last 2 Winter Meetings for the IBS. At both meetings more than once you voiced your opinion that the 6 is out gunned by the .30 and even made mention, that the LV VFS class could or should be reserved for cartridges less than .30 caliber. You stated to me, and my father and others present that the 6mm's are outgunned by the .30's and it isn't a fair game for VFS for the 6mm's. You have even suggested some form of a scoring method that counts from the center of the hit rather than the edges.

Don't call me out in front of hundreds replacing the words you said in front of few.

Paul
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I did not call you out.

My observations regarding the 30 in score are known to those who have been deeply involved in score shooting for way longer than the 30BR has been around....I didn't "replace" any of the words I've spoken on the subject. I have never said that the 6mm is "outgunned" by or is "undergunned" compared to the 30....the 30 simply cuts a bigger hole in the target. What I have taken exception to here is that you chose to bring up your opinion of my observations in a discussion of whether anyone will be shooting a 30 at the supershoot.......where I had not posted a single word, and regarding a subject that is not relevent to score shooting.

The proof is in the pudding, as they say, Paul. I use a 30 for score simply because it will cut into the X from the same distance from center as all of the other top shooters rifles will. It seems strange that even though I almost always get to the 100-200 and LD nationals, and about half of the state championships, that the only two times I've ever seen you in person was at the last two annual meetings. C'mon out to the Score Nationals or the Bud Pryor and show us that 30.

NOW I've called you out.....................
-Dave-:eek:
 
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