30 PPC powders

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Charles E

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First, I'm sorry. I tried to do a search, but apparently am not cleaver enough. I got "no matches" for 30 PPC, and everything under the sun by adding "powders."

So. I know about N-120, and have a bunch. I've heard rumors that H4198 can be used. That would be nice, anyone having success with it? Details, if you don't mind.

I also know of 4227 -- the newer IMR, made in Australia. Only 4227 I ever used, about 12 years ago with a .30BR, got real fussy about the charge weight. Went from "not quite enough" to "too much" too easily -- change in charge, change in temperature, change in anything.

Anybody having success with anything else?

TIA
 
IMO, it just doesn't get any better than the N120 in my 30 Major, which of course is a .070" long 30PPC, except without the need for forming the brass from .220 Russion brass, as is the case with the 30 PPC. Lapua 6.5 Grendel brass makes making 30 Major brass as simple as making 30 BR brass. N120 should give very near ideal fill rate and velocity in the ppc as well. You can put too much in the Major if you try, but it'll be way into the neck. In my experience with n120, it meters like water and is very clean and consistent. It's really a wonderful powder...if it weren't so expensive it'd be perfect.
 
Thank you. I already have a .30 PPC, reamer, dies, brass, etc. Oh. And the barrel is already chambered. And I imagine the extra .070 would not be happy in my drop port Viper, though maybe it would "drop."

Having said that, nice to get more confirmation on N-120.
 
Charles E said:
Thank you. I already have a .30 PPC, reamer, dies, brass, etc. Oh. And the barrel is already chambered. And I imagine the extra .070 would not be happy in my drop port Viper, though maybe it would "drop."

Having said that, nice to get more confirmation on N-120.
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Charles,

I have campaigned a 30 PPC in the upper Mid-West and at the Bud Pryor for the last 6 years now. I haven't won a lot of BIG wood with it, but I have my fair share of yardages to my name. I settled on A-A 1680 behind BIB 118-10s. I know that N-120 works also, but the 1680 is a LOT less expensive and a LOT more available universally. It is a magnum pistol powder. In fact, I would say that almost any of the magnum pistol powders are worth investigation. Rather than looking at the V-V numerical powder chart, take a look at the graphical chart they have for powders on their website. Find N-120 and look across left and right at the powders that fall in the same burn rate area. Those are all worth looking at. About the only one I can say you might want to stay away from is 4227, it is hard as hell on cases. Shoots, but you will make new cases for EVERY yardage. Not my cup of tea.

David
 
Charles E said:
Thank you. I already have a .30 PPC, reamer, dies, brass, etc. Oh. And the barrel is already chambered. And I imagine the extra .070 would not be happy in my drop port Viper, though maybe it would "drop."

Having said that, nice to get more confirmation on N-120.
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You're welcome. Too bad. It drops from a drop port, and good night, Charles.
 
I had an opportunity to talk to one of the big names shooting a 30PPC. He's using 4198. Said you had to use a long tube and a dead slow trickle, but you could get enough in to make it shoot. Interestingly, he makes his cases from the 6.5 Grendel just as Mike and I do the 30 Major. I got the idea that there was *a tad* more room in the case than a standard, JGS 1045 PPC.

FWIW, Greg J.
 
Charles, I think most are using the vv120. The 4227 gives everyone that I've talked to the same problem, it goes from O boy to O-s**t in a hurry. Most of them don't use it long before it scares them bad enough to quit. I've heard of some using some other powders with some success but I don't remember what they were. I'll ask next time I see them at a match and get back to ya.
 
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Back when I started shooting the 30 Major and N120 was being a pain to find, Mike recommended Tubal 2000 as an option. I could hardly find even a Google link for it.

Is it easier to find these days?
 
SGJennings said:
Back when I started shooting the 30 Major and N120 was being a pain to find, Mike recommended Tubal 2000 as an option. I could hardly find even a Google link for it.

Is it easier to find these days?
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Well, he's got 20 kilos. That's 308,000 grains. If his charge is 30 grains, that's 10,266 rounds.

One plus of buying that much powder...
 
I was lucky to stumble on 48 lbs of N120. Mike and I split it. I have just under 36 lbs, total. I'm good on it for awhile. If I start shooting a 30 BR some, I'll likely do the same to whatever I end up shooting (but continue to put 4198 on the equipment list). <big grin>
 
side track a bit....what about a 30 russian ?? less case capacity...but would it work ??
tappered case not blown out straight..
say ala beggs with the change in shoulder radius ???

mike in co
 
mike in co said:
side track a bit....what about a 30 russian ?? less case capacity...but would it work ??
tappered case not blown out straight..
say ala beggs with the change in shoulder radius ???

mike in co
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Couldn't call it a PPC Mike, don't ya know - - -
 
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