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Twud
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Does the 222 mag enjoy the same reputation for accuracy as the 222?
John Kielly
Shari's fan club
At what level?
I shot the calibre for years back in the late sixties & early seventies, both in the field & occasionally off the bench just because. As I recall, the main issue was that you could always get the brand of .222 brass you wanted, but the Magnum could be problimatic at times - then the .223 came along & I took my football home & sulked.
I shot the calibre for years back in the late sixties & early seventies, both in the field & occasionally off the bench just because. As I recall, the main issue was that you could always get the brand of .222 brass you wanted, but the Magnum could be problimatic at times - then the .223 came along & I took my football home & sulked.
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Twud
Guest
Could you cap a ground hog at 250 yards?
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f d shuster
Guest
222 Rem. Magnum
Yes. Anything a 223 will do, you can do with a 222 Rem. Magnum. My problem was the quality, or lack thereof, of available brass. Do like the slightly longer case neck, as compared to the 223. My other problem (rifle related), was the Sako L-46 Vixen had a 1-16 twist, with a very deep throat. Limited to 40 gr. bullets, and seated out as far as possible, still had a "jump" of 1/8"-- grouping at 200 yd was problamatic. Since re-barreled to another ctg.
Yes. Anything a 223 will do, you can do with a 222 Rem. Magnum. My problem was the quality, or lack thereof, of available brass. Do like the slightly longer case neck, as compared to the 223. My other problem (rifle related), was the Sako L-46 Vixen had a 1-16 twist, with a very deep throat. Limited to 40 gr. bullets, and seated out as far as possible, still had a "jump" of 1/8"-- grouping at 200 yd was problamatic. Since re-barreled to another ctg.
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vicvanb
Guest
No.
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vicvanb
Guest
Yes.
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Big Al
Guest
I trade into one of the most beautiful SAKO's in .222 Mag, the stock was breathtakingly beautiful and the tiny bolt action was a dream for smooth. The guy I got it from traded me a case of factory loads, and dies. It had a pencil thin barrel.
I shot the barrel out in two spring subsistence hunt season shooting cranes and swans. That rifle in cool temperatures, was scary accurate as many a $10,000.00 a plate meals were brought to the table.
With the availability of surplus brass from Uncle Suckers war machine, It's been the 5.56 NATO ever since.
I was happy the guy that bought that little SAKO did look down the bore, cause he would not have seen much left. Maybe two inches of rifling to be generous.
I shot the barrel out in two spring subsistence hunt season shooting cranes and swans. That rifle in cool temperatures, was scary accurate as many a $10,000.00 a plate meals were brought to the table.
With the availability of surplus brass from Uncle Suckers war machine, It's been the 5.56 NATO ever since.
I was happy the guy that bought that little SAKO did look down the bore, cause he would not have seen much left. Maybe two inches of rifling to be generous.
brian roberts
New member
Despite what some of the...........
gunrag writers will say, I've taken groundhogs, solidly hit at 350 & a bit beyond, but I always aimed COM, & always used the Hornady SX bullets, although I promised myself this year, I'd try some of the V-Maxes.
gunrag writers will say, I've taken groundhogs, solidly hit at 350 & a bit beyond, but I always aimed COM, & always used the Hornady SX bullets, although I promised myself this year, I'd try some of the V-Maxes.
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Twud
Guest
Com
What does COM stand for?
What does COM stand for?
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Twud
Guest
Com
You don't hold over at 350?
You don't hold over at 350?
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Wild Bill
Guest
Depending on what distance he is sighted in he probably don't have to.
Also,this heavy barrel Sako Vixen 222mag will shoot with any 222!
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Cheechako
Guest
A little history:
The cartridge that was to become the 222 Rem Mag was first called the 224 Springfield and was designed by Remington for Springfield Armory as part of the development of a small caliber rifle and cartridge for the U.S. Because of politics, Springfield was ordered to stop development. Remington had a lot of time invested in the cartridge so they got permission to produce it commercially as the 222 Rem Mag.
In the meantime, Armalite was working on a similar cartridge which eventually became the 5.56 x 45 (223 Rem). Later, Armalite said that they had not been aware of the 224 Springfield and if they had they would have adopted it instead, because it was a better cartridge.
So, if not for politics, there never would have been a 223 Remington and the M16 would be shooting the 5.56 x 47 (222 Rem Mag).
Ray
The cartridge that was to become the 222 Rem Mag was first called the 224 Springfield and was designed by Remington for Springfield Armory as part of the development of a small caliber rifle and cartridge for the U.S. Because of politics, Springfield was ordered to stop development. Remington had a lot of time invested in the cartridge so they got permission to produce it commercially as the 222 Rem Mag.
In the meantime, Armalite was working on a similar cartridge which eventually became the 5.56 x 45 (223 Rem). Later, Armalite said that they had not been aware of the 224 Springfield and if they had they would have adopted it instead, because it was a better cartridge.
So, if not for politics, there never would have been a 223 Remington and the M16 would be shooting the 5.56 x 47 (222 Rem Mag).
Ray
brian roberts
New member
On the question of........
center of mass(COM). When I had the Deuce Mag, I had a 3-9 Leupold(LEE-ah-POLD, to go along with lah-POOH-ah ammo)) that was sighted in about 2.5 inches high at 100yds. I discovered that it then put the bullets 1/3rd the distance UP from the intersection @ 100, 2/3rds the distance up from the intersection @ 200, and 1/3rd the distance BELOW the intersection @300. As a result of trying to hit a hog at 475-500(split-image rangefinder, averaged) I fired at a stone that looked as though(through the scope) it was 1-1.5 inches wide by 3 inches long, sitting pretty much vertical on the side of the mound. When the first shot didn't hit it, I placed the point of the 6 o'clock post on it, and it was soundly hit(I figured if I ever saw that hog there again, I'd have him). Whenever I tried a hog at 100, I aimed for the belly-button, at 200, I'd aim at the grass in front & hit him in the chest or the neck-shoulder-junction, at 300 I'd hold on the top of the head and hit it center of mass. I tried to always hit them there, as that always anchored them; and I only had a couple get away bad-hit as a result of shooting just when they decided to go on feeding. I've had people tell me they, "..only take head-shots at OVER 4 hunnert...". Well, that's all well & good, but based on the shooting I did, & where I did it, there was always the time of flight thing that could be detrimental, & that's why I stuck w/COM shooting. It may be a pest, but it deserves my consideration. That rifle was an L461, & not being bound by the magazine of the L46 or L469, I backed the bullet(Hornady 55 SX & 53 Match) off the lands & the cartridge would feed through the Mauser-type magazine, fine. But I also found it would shoot best as the charge weight was increased in increments until I was about 2gr.(IN THIS RIFLE) over the book limit w/H335. This will NOT work in the detachable magazines unless you develop it, & use the rifle single shot, I KNOW!! But, I never had any cratering w/my loads, whereas I did w/Rem. factory ammo. Hope this helps someone starting w/this great cartridge. Oh yeah, in that vein, with all the GOOD .204 Ruger brass out there, you could probably push the shoulder back, and either neck it up, or blow it out. The good part is, the .204 is cheaper & better quality than the Rem. .222Mag. brass.
center of mass(COM). When I had the Deuce Mag, I had a 3-9 Leupold(LEE-ah-POLD, to go along with lah-POOH-ah ammo
)) that was sighted in about 2.5 inches high at 100yds. I discovered that it then put the bullets 1/3rd the distance UP from the intersection @ 100, 2/3rds the distance up from the intersection @ 200, and 1/3rd the distance BELOW the intersection @300. As a result of trying to hit a hog at 475-500(split-image rangefinder, averaged) I fired at a stone that looked as though(through the scope) it was 1-1.5 inches wide by 3 inches long, sitting pretty much vertical on the side of the mound. When the first shot didn't hit it, I placed the point of the 6 o'clock post on it, and it was soundly hit(I figured if I ever saw that hog there again, I'd have him). Whenever I tried a hog at 100, I aimed for the belly-button, at 200, I'd aim at the grass in front & hit him in the chest or the neck-shoulder-junction, at 300 I'd hold on the top of the head and hit it center of mass. I tried to always hit them there, as that always anchored them; and I only had a couple get away bad-hit as a result of shooting just when they decided to go on feeding. I've had people tell me they, "..only take head-shots at OVER 4 hunnert...". Well, that's all well & good, but based on the shooting I did, & where I did it, there was always the time of flight thing that could be detrimental, & that's why I stuck w/COM shooting. It may be a pest, but it deserves my consideration. That rifle was an L461, & not being bound by the magazine of the L46 or L469, I backed the bullet(Hornady 55 SX & 53 Match) off the lands & the cartridge would feed through the Mauser-type magazine, fine. But I also found it would shoot best as the charge weight was increased in increments until I was about 2gr.(IN THIS RIFLE) over the book limit w/H335. This will NOT work in the detachable magazines unless you develop it, & use the rifle single shot, I KNOW!! But, I never had any cratering w/my loads, whereas I did w/Rem. factory ammo. Hope this helps someone starting w/this great cartridge. Oh yeah, in that vein, with all the GOOD .204 Ruger brass out there, you could probably push the shoulder back, and either neck it up, or blow it out. The good part is, the .204 is cheaper & better quality than the Rem. .222Mag. brass.brian roberts
New member
Hey, Wild Bill......
that's an L461, there, isn't it??? A buddy of mine who bought a SLEW of Vixens after he saw what & how they were, missed one of those at a decent price, & now kicks himself!! I had a BALvar 8 on my sporter, & thought it was the scope as the source of my problems(little more WEATHERED, now). When FIE was over by DC, after I'd sold the BALvar, I went over there & had them take a look at the rifle. They fired it after they'd "made some adjustments", & proclaimed it was within, "their specifications". So, I asked them to fire some of my handloads(to see if I was on the right track), told them there were no pressure signs, etc. Their range couldn't have been that far, but they got me to write down that load, as it shot a DOT for them about 1/2 the size of a No.2 eraser. That little sporter shot so well, people didn't believe it. I put it to sleep using a stainless brush in it. I finally sold it(didn't have the money to put a new tube on it) to a friend of mine for what we agreed was a good price for the action & stock, & he turned it into a .17!! I still miss it.
that's an L461, there, isn't it??? A buddy of mine who bought a SLEW of Vixens after he saw what & how they were, missed one of those at a decent price, & now kicks himself!! I had a BALvar 8 on my sporter, & thought it was the scope as the source of my problems(little more WEATHERED, now). When FIE was over by DC, after I'd sold the BALvar, I went over there & had them take a look at the rifle. They fired it after they'd "made some adjustments", & proclaimed it was within, "their specifications". So, I asked them to fire some of my handloads(to see if I was on the right track), told them there were no pressure signs, etc. Their range couldn't have been that far, but they got me to write down that load, as it shot a DOT for them about 1/2 the size of a No.2 eraser. That little sporter shot so well, people didn't believe it. I put it to sleep using a stainless brush in it. I finally sold it(didn't have the money to put a new tube on it) to a friend of mine for what we agreed was a good price for the action & stock, & he turned it into a .17!! I still miss it.
brian roberts
New member
So, Twud, are you gonna.......
jump in the .222mag pool, or just...........?
(Believe me, done right, you'll NEVER regret it)
(SSSSssshhhhhh........don't tell anybody!)
........... wait 'til its time to fire up the ol' outboard??
jump in the .222mag pool, or just...........?
(Believe me, done right, you'll NEVER regret it)
(SSSSssshhhhhh........don't tell anybody!)
........... wait 'til its time to fire up the ol' outboard??